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Hannibal's thread into DIY motion platform

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by hannibal, Feb 15, 2019.

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  1. hannibal

    hannibal Active Member

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    Hello everyone.
    There is so much info on this website about DIY motion platform. i hope my first thread grows to a complete project.
    in the mean time please disregard random notes.

    Grateful for you guys sharing info.. especially @noorbeast , his replies are like top notch tech support, but with a touch of fatherly love being in this this community.. :)

    since i live in an apartment, i have to be conscious of my power requirements. my apartment has
    1x 20 Amp (115VAC) circuit for the kitchen
    3x 15 Amp (115VAC)
    1x 20 Amp (230VAC)

    Thinking of my desired build, my limitations and the unlimited possiblities of DIY.. looks like im going to go for a 4Dof build or 6Dof build like the father & son thread

    in the mean time i will be just collecting data and take the slow road of researching, and hopefully VR will improve. I am more a flight Sim person, im also hoping time will allow the complete development of the captoglove hand control accessory, it sux that DCS World controls are cumbersome at this moment.. and will be worse with motion, since i have to use a separate touch controller to interact with the game then set the touch controller down to use a HOTAS..


    Thanks!

    FULL BUILD NOTES:
    go for LED PSUs
    go for Worm Motors or Servo Motors
    ( e30-400 ampflow motor / Parvalux PM 90
    go for sabertooth 2X60
    go for Teensy 3.5 (more accurate??)
    Resistors for inductive feedback..

    officially decided parts
    arduino genuiuno R3
    sabertooth 2x60     (SMC mode 3) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sabertooth-2x60-Dual-60A-6V-30V-Regenerative-Motor-Driver/223083039854
    24V 30A Power Supply: https://www.banggood.com/720W-24V-3...p-1425988.html?rmmds=myorder&cur_warehouse=CN




    https://www.mechanicsurplus.com/pro...COcKIJvbLl6nNM89WMMClWjEeTmGVEJwaAqFYEALw_wcB
    (diy linear actuator)
    http://bffsimulation.com/linear-act.php

    https://www.banggood.com/720W-24V-3...-p-1425988.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN

    SELF LEARNING:


    The unofficial linear speed recommended is 150mm per second.
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  2. hannibal

    hannibal Active Member

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    MODEL BUILD NOTES:
    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/6dof-platform-with-small-dc-motors.5634/
    https://www.instructables.com/id/Stewart-Platform/
    https://www.mips-lab.net/Members/ns...plans/Ardruino_6DOF_Motion_Platform_LoRes.pdf

    parts lists?
    https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FQC/KXUA/JIYU1JDE/FQCKXUAJIYU1JDE.pdf

    CONFIRMED ORDERED ACQUIRED:
    Arduino Genuino Uno R3
    Monster Moto (motor controller) ( link to test fake MM)
    Dupont Jumper wires
    Solderless Breadboard
    some Mabuchi FK-280 mini Motor - 10 to 15 VDC


    need 180 degree pots? 10K
    PD5WK010 / 6127V1A180L.5FS
    places to order stuff
    https://www.digikey.com/
    https://www.mouser.com/


    Arduino Uno:
    software: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Software
    https://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/arduino-code-for-use-with-various-hardware-and-simtools.31/

    SMC3 and SMC3 Utility
    https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...3dof-motor-driver-and-windows-utilities.4957/

    2/22
    trying to follow MM & adruino single motor & pot function
    https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...cts-as-a-single-motor-driver-more-power.5482/
    2/23 MM as single didnt work as i thought... going for the regular setup..
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  3. noorbeast

    noorbeast VR Tassie Devil Staff Member Moderator Race Director

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  4. hannibal

    hannibal Active Member

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    of course. i figure i start with electronics and control boards first before i 3d print anything.
    i have a arduino uno sitting on my shelf collecting dust! probably order those moto monsters next..

    replies most welcomed! thank you!
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    im here trying to update my arduino uno... i bought this a while back..
    do you think its obsolete to try to use it for the model?
    or go arduino WiFi?
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    T R Para i make stuff up

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    Good luck on your build hannibal .
    I have to ask.. Does anyone live in an apartment below you??
    It could get interesting as these 500lb rigs have been known to jump off the floor now and then...
    The 1x 20 Amp (230VAC) is almost 5kw so that is plenty of power.
    I first saw you in Grigory's thread.
    I am impressed with his work as he has gone "full circle" in his builds.
    DC worms, DC actuators. DC planetary, and finally AC planetary. (like wow)
    I am on his coat tails and building a rig using the AC servo planetary..
    P.S. (are you in the states?)
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    im in NY. lucky i am on the first floor, and my floor is concrete. i shouldnt have any issues with anyone below me..
    just spent the last 2 hours updating the arduino. had a stopper due to having to copy paste code on to notepadd++. simply downloading code doesnt work. this is all a warm up!

    AC planetary? i am new to this term!
    wow.. quick google, they loook expensive.
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    An Uno is perfect for the model and even a sim.
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  10. hannibal

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    I just saw your reply @noorbeast

    but Guys.. is it better to go Arduino or Raspberry Pi? for the long term?

    im seeing one model example with raspberry, others with arduino..

    seems like i should start smaller, like having the arduino control JUST one moto and one servo, or motor or something.... lol

    preparing to order monster moto's... should this be my next purchase?
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    T R Para i make stuff up

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    My Motion Simulator:
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    Yes they are pricey. About $550 - $600 per power unit from Ebay shipped.
    However they include the power supply.
    Are already a closed loop system.
    Virtually zero backlash.
    Quiet compared to DIY actuators.
    Has a smaller 6dof footprint then most actuator systems.
    Faster than a speeding bullet..
    More powerful than a Locomotive.
    Able to leap .... No Seriously
    I doubt you will need to upgrade an Ac motor system.
    What I am doing is building a 2 dof
    It will be a 3dof in a couple of weeks.
    I hope to expand to a 6dof by the end of the year..

    Concrete floor? You haven't seen Jimmy Hoffa around lately..Have you?

    Its all just in fun :grin
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    My Motion Simulator:
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    Get the sabertooth 2x32.
    It is a winner.
    The monstermotos seem to fail a lot....

    I think you have to use an Arduino that is what all the software is written for...
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    sabertooth pricey for a model build..
    but that is good for when i make the full scale motion platform?
    i added it to my parts list for the full build though!
    hannibal, Feb 16, 2019
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    noorbeast VR Tassie Devil Staff Member Moderator Race Director

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    A Rasberry Pie is possible, but the vast majority use Arduinos for models and full size motion rigs.
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    Ok yeah.. Sorry.. I was unaware this was for a model.. The mega are fine.
    If its a model why not just use small rc type servos...
    I was confused....:oops:
    T R Para, Feb 16, 2019
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    i look at sabers later.. i hate to reinvent the wheel starting full size, i first like to understand whats going on with a model.. then go for a full build! ill be hitting u up for suggestions later!

    not only woodshop is involved, but programming too
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  18. noorbeast

    noorbeast VR Tassie Devil Staff Member Moderator Race Director

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    hannibal Active Member

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    just ordered monster moto, breadboard and jumper wires..

    monster moto is referred as the motor controller board?
    if ordering miniature motors that resemble the larger counter parts, anyone has ideas for toy motors?
    So far looks like DC is needed??
    i like to avoid servos for now.. if i understand correctly, with regular motors, i have to connect some kind of position sensor like a pot to it, so it can feed bad data back to arduino?

    maybe this motor? (the shaft is long enough so i can connect some type of gear to a pot???)
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-1-5V-12...=item4b0f66a007:g:7jQAAOSwKJRZh94T:rk:71:pf:0
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    noorbeast VR Tassie Devil Staff Member Moderator Race Director

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    Yes an MM is a control board.

    Do test clone MMs, as they can be faulty: https://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/reputable-monster-moto-suppliers-testing-before-use.158/

    Yes use mini DC motors, but as you have MMs then to keep it simple go with 12V mini motors: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...itleDesc=0&_odkw=small+12v+dc+motor&_osacat=0
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