Question Project Cars traction loss moving while stopped

Hello,

I just setup Project cars in simtools and I am having a problem with the motion. The traction loss axis 3a is moving from side to side non stop, even when I am in the pits before starting the race. I got the plugin I found in the downloads section and below you can find my information and settings. Do you know what be happening and could you guys give me a hand.

Commercial or DIY: Commercial
DOF (Number of axles ): 3DOF
Actuators (DIY, SCN5 etc.): SCN6
Interface (Arduino, SCN, Mega, DIY etc. ): Came with the actuators

SimTools

Version: 2.1
Game Plugin: Iracing, Assetto Corsa, Dirt Rally and others
Settings (Relevant ones): Most settings are as per the quick-start guide
SimTools Licence type: Pro

@mauricioss9
Yes, As @noorbeast and @yobuddy suggest, try andjusting to a higher value for traction loss in tuningcenter.
I think you have the same Commercial simulator i have, Try a value 7-9 for TL.
Rembember to capture Min/Max values for Project Cars in tuning center!

@noorbeast
Regarding, "not over 100% total DOF."
I have read "all" documentation, threads, FAQs regarding Simtools, and have tested a lot regarding %DOF settings/Tuning Center.

last weekend i disabled all forces except the "pitch" and that was set to 25%
Tried to find out if 20%-25% DOF settings for forces was possible for good motion. Total (100%-125%)
No matter how i try with lower values in tuning center, it was impossible to adjust for a good motion regarding "pitch".
I end up with DOF 50-60% for "pitch".

Note, i am not using the "Profile manager" this is always set to 100% (Total) and 0 -+ For all the other forces.

I personally believe there is hard to get any good motion not go over the 100% total for some simulators.

If i understood things correctly, Tuningcenter act like a "lever/Gearbox"
So i don´t understand the problem with total high DOF% if you have high values in tuningcenter.

If you have high values i tuningcenter, Why is there a problem with a total high like 260% ? Other than maybe losing details, Clipping.
What is the upper limit 150%-180%?
In simtools 2 there is a possibility to set one DOF to 150%..
Yes, i understand this if you have two simulators running at the same time, and only one set of tuningcenter values.

I understand that there will be a problem with high DOF % If only captured min/max values are used, and not adjusting the values to higher settings in tuning center manually.

Example: Project cars have a min/max value for Pitch +- 10
If the DOF% is set to 100% for Pitch, when/if the game outputs + or - 10 then the full range of the axis is used.
Then if the tuningcenter value is increased to 20. (Still 100% DOF for Pitch) then only 50% of axis travel/range is used.

If a lower value i used in tuning center (Still 100% DOF for Pitch) then also 100% of axis travel/range is used, but reaching this quicker due to lower tuning center value.

If i understood things correctly DOF% is % of force (Data from game to use), NOT travel/range for axis.

Depending on the Min/Max values in tuning center, the game engine calculates total axis travel/range for axis.
So in theory 100% DOF for all forces can be used .. yes, it's only an example..
But a high setting is necessary in tuning Center for all that forces to avoid clipping, reach max travel/range for axis.

Please correct me if i got all this wrong.

I was able to fix the problem with Pcars TL. Once I got to capture Min/Max I could see that the TL was coming up at +/- 0.032 and that was the problem. I adjusted Extra 1 to +/- 10 and no more problem. Thanks for the tip.

I have been trying to get better setups for my games but this is no easy task for sure. You can take a whole day of tweaking. I took Noorbeast's advice and lowered the total DOF for axis 1 and 2 and raised a bit for TL and I believe it did help. The setup I have for Pcars now seems to be almost the way I want, which is maximum reality, but I think I still need some more tweaking, what you guys think?

Clipping is the biggest issue.
Because if you set Surge to 60% and it actually uses 60% of the axis.
There is not allot left for other DOF's.
Another problem could be math overflow problems, but I have yet to see any of that.
yobuddy




@yobuddy,
Yes, but if that 60% surge is set with high - + big numbers in tuningcenter, Then the axis is never clipp.. ? (physical range axis travel)
Where is the risk for clipping, in the math calculation axis travel?

I get the best results with high numbers in tuning center and high DOF% rather than the opposite.
The motion feeling is mutch more linear.

Small numbers in tuning center max out more quickly than big numbers, And i like to have more linear range/data used from the game.

Yesterday i tried to set all DOF% to 100% and the boundary filter to 20%-30%. (2x SCN6)
Very nice movement and no problems at all.

Can you please explain the calculations simtools is using for DOF% physical range axis travel

If i understood things correctly DOF% is % of force (Data from game to use), NOT travel/range for axis.
So in theory you can max out the travel/range for axis with low %DOF also.?

Is the example i posted earlier right or have i got all this wrong ?

if I understand well, the percentage that checks each axis must take into the total? (100%).

For example, if I have only pitch and roll on Axis 1, I have to allocate 50% + 50% (see attachment), but if I have pitch, roll and heave, for example, I should keep around 33% + 33% + 33% ?!?

I have always believed that every percentage was about strength on the single axis ...

Thanks for the clarification, @yobuddy !!!

Thank you very much for the clarification. I always thought that the allocation percentages were only relative to the single DOF.
Unfortunately, for months I'm constantly work out of my home and I have not been able to work on the project, but I'm going to deserve your support !!!
Thanks again!!!

Maybe we could have a dedicated area with Tuning Centre Values and Axis Settings for specific rigs and games for newcomers. I see that other members have already mentioned this idea, so maybe I am just not finding and there is already a dedicated area.

Here are a couple of pics of my rig. I still need to do a lot of tweaking.

Hi Yobuddy,

This is an old thread, but I still hope to get some clarification here.

So, clipping will occur only when axis reaches its full travel, or no? Is it a good test to watch Axis in Output Testing while game is sending data? If I understand correctly, clipping starts if any of the sliders on axis reaches leftmost or rightmost position?

Also, if there's Axis Limit set, is it even possible for axis to reach 100% during Output Testing?

BTW, nice to see someone from the NW working on SimTools really nice software, works very smooth! Cheers.