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Question Smoothing not working?

Discussion in 'SimTools Pro & Entertainment Version' started by Andrew Lawrence, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Andrew Lawrence

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    I am working on a prototype G-seat. The smoothing seems to do nothing. I get very abrupt but small movements, when I would think it should be smooth. No setting on smoothing does anything at all for me. Any help?

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    Can you please post pictures of all of your settings.

    Try washout in the <50% range.
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    Here are the screen shots of the settings. I have played with the washout, but it seems to take way to long to come back to neutral. I will play with it some more while you look at these.

    I am only working on the Surge flaps at the moment. Washsout is the same on all DOF. I have tried a number of positions in smoothing, but can feel no difference.
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    Turn the "Return" speed up
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    It feels better with no washout at all, but still feeling the chattering, I can hear it too. Smoothing seems to have no effect with washout off either.
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    Turn it all the way up?
    If you getting "chattering" everywhere, use the Main slider in the Profile editor of Game Manger.
    It adds smoothing for all outputs in one full swoop!
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    Yep, tried it all the way up. Also, have the main slider all the way up.

    Signing off for the night, but I will be working on it again tomorrow. Thank you both for the help.
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    Did you capture the max/min values via the TuningCenter? ‚Jumping motors’ remind me of one time I forgot this.
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    Just got the Heave servos installed and stuff. Still playing with things. I will get back with what I find. :)
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    Back again. I have tried pretty much everything. I have done Tuning Center a bunch of times, messed with smoothing, washout, etc. Still no real effect. Maybe it is as good as it is going to get. Here is a video of the heave flaps. If you look and listen, when it is moving slow, you can see it move in like 1mm increments. It is noticeable when sitting in it. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.



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    With 8bit output, you only get 255 stopping positions.
    Are you using RC servos by chance?
    Modified sketch for the Arduino?
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    Simtools Smoothing won't help you here - like @yobuddy said, this is all about data resolution and also how the servos move from step to step and the length of your servo arms. FI, Here's a video of my old RC servo setup -

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    Yes, Aerofly 2 is the only one so far. For a car sim, it would probably be OK, but for an airplane sim, smoother would be better. I might try another game tonight.
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    Shorter servo arms will reduce the effect, but you will have less movement. How the servo is moving from data point to data point is controlled by its internal electronics and feedback system. Not much you can do about that. From my experience, some servos have a more noticeable 'step' then others. This could be caused by the differences in their internal Electronics/Feedback system/PID resolution and algorithms.
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    Just an update, which may help others with this servo. There is a "sensitivity range adjustment" pot on the controller. Turning this to almost the off position then opening it just 1/8 to 1/4 turn seems to do the trick. It slows down the servo ever so slightly, and may reduce movement range a little. I made up for both of these in SimTools settings. The servos, at this setting, are butter smooth. No jerkey movements from one stop to the next. Very impressed with the difference.

    Thanks for the help all!
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