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News Simulator 2 dof progress for beginners !!!

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by RENZOREY18, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. RENZOREY18

    RENZOREY18 New Member

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    Hola a todos!!!
    como verán soy nuevo en este foro, aunque no tan nuevo... ya que vengo meses leyendo y investigando para fabricar mi propio simulador 2 dof POR LO CUAL NECESITARE DE SU AYUDA!!! :D

    En este momento estoy en proceso del simulador, por lo cual surgieron muchas dudas respecto el tipo de motor que necesito para poder soportar la estructura y el peso de la persona que se introduzca.

    Total persona y estructura: 150kg MÍNIMO --> que tendría que soportar el motor.

    investigue sobre que motor colocar en el simulador,por lo cual opté en los (moto-reductores),No dude en investigar donde poder comprar de este tipo de motor...con la búsqueda encontré una empresa; (http://www.transtecno.com/) que fabrica los motoreductores a medida que deseé el cliente,por lo cual el comercial "PARA DARME UN PRESUPUESTO" me pidió las siguientes características;

    potencia=?

    vueltas de salida=?

    fuerza en Nm=?

    esos cálculos no sabría solucionar,ya que no se la formula que se utiliza para estar en lo correcto ala hora de comprar un motor y no perder dinero ni tiempo.

    si alguien sabría decirme que tipo de (Nm),vueltas de salida,potencia que necesito para poder soportar los 150kg,se lo agradeceré!!!.

    QUIERO QUE EL MOTOR ESTE SOBRADO DE FUERZA,PERO ALA VEZ VELOZ.

    estaré subiendo fotos del simulador que esta en proceso Saludos!!!

    TRANSLATED:ENGLISH VERSION

    Hello everybody!
    as you will see I'm new in this forum, although not so new ... as I've been reading and researching for months to make my own simulator 2 dof WHY YOU NEED YOUR HELP!! :D

    At the moment I'm in the process of the simulator, so there were many questions about the type of engine I need to support the structure and weight of the person being introduced.

    Total person and structure: 150kg MINIMUM --> that would have to support the engine.

    I researched on which engine to place in the simulator, so I opted in the (motor-reducers), do not hesitate to investigate where to buy this type of engine ... with the search I found a company (http://www.transtecno.com/) that manufactures the motor-reducers as desired by the customer, so the commercial "TO GIVE ME A QUOTE" asked me the following characteristics;

    power (W)=?

    output turns=?

    force in Nm=?

    those calculations would not know how to solve, since the formula is not used to be right when buying an engine and not waste money or time.

    If anyone could tell me what kind of (Nm), output turns, power I need to support the 150kg, I'll thank you!

    I WANT THE ENGINE TO BE OVERPOWERED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME FAST.

    I will be uploading photos of the simulator that is in process Greetings!
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    version español-spanish.
    bueno el simulador ya esta casi terminador pero iré subiendo fotos del proceso y material utilizado.
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    well the simulator is almost finished but I'll be uploading photos of the process and material used.
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    SPAÑOL -NO SOY EXPERTO EN SOLDADURA PERO ME DEFIENDO :D
    INGLISH-I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN WELDING BUT I DEFEND MYSELF :D
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    spanish-->Aqui colocando soporte de volante con regulador de altura y distancia del Baquet. no terminado aun
    English--> This is where the steering wheel support is placed with Baquet height and distance adjustment. "Not finished yet"
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    spanish--> aquí mejorando cardan y haciendo modificaciones para ya montar estructura .

    English--> here improving cardan and making modifications to already mount structure .

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    hola renzo, siento no poder ayudarte en el tema de los motores, yo construí un simulador 2dof con motores limpiaparabrisas de una citroen jumpy, voy a seguir tu proyecto con atención, si tienes cualquier duda no dudes en preguntar

    english
    hello renzo, I'm sorry I can not help you with the motors, I built a 2dof sim with wiper motors of a citroen jumpy, I'm going to follow your project with attention, if you have any questions do not hesitate to ask
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    Hola @satbranigan , muchas gracias igualmente por su interés, pasare por su hilo para ver su simulador 2dof.

    esta semana subiré un vídeo haciendo pruebas del simulador para comprobar fallos de la fabricación. saludos!!!

    INGLISH-->Hello @satbranigan], thank you very much also for your interest, I pass by your thread to see your simulator.

    this week I'm going to make a test video of the simulator to check the manufacturing failures. greetings!
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    ESPAÑOL -> Aquí un adelanto del cockpit... ESTOS MOTORES QUE ESTOY UTILIZANDO SON DE PRUEBA POR QUE NO ME SIRVEN POR SU POCA POTENCIA (W).

    ALGUIEN SABRÍA SI ESTA CAJA REDUCTORA SIRVE SI CAMBIO DE MOTOR DE MAYOR (W) ?

    CUANTO (N) TIENE ESTA CAJA REDUCTORA SABRÍAN DECIRME ?

    Saludos!
    ENGLISH -->Here is a preview of the cockpit... THESE ENGINES I'M USING ARE TEST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT SERVE ME FOR THEIR LOW POWER (W).

    SOMEONE WOULD KNOW IF THIS GEARBOX WORKS IF YOU CHANGE THE MOTOR OF GREATER (W) ?

    HOW MUCH (N) HAS THIS GEARBOX WOULD YOU KNOW TO TELL ME ?

    Greetings!
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    Hi, everybody.
    Here you have the first test of the simulator 2 dof

    In the first test of movements, we can see that the cardan cracks, so it will be welded to eliminate that annoying noise.
    As I said this is the "first" test to observe design errors.
    Design errors:
    The first error is the size of the simulator at least for me, I would like to completely change the design to something smaller and more compact.
    Second error are very low power engines. "WILL BE REPLACED BY MORE POWERFUL ONES"


    VERSIÓN ESPAÑOL:

    En la primera prueba de movimientos, podemos ver que el cardan se agrieta, por lo que se soldará para eliminar ese molesto ruido.
    Como he dicho, esta es la "primera" prueba en la que se observan errores de diseño.

    Errores de diseño:
    El primer error es el tamaño del simulador, al menos para mí, me gustaría cambiar completamente el diseño a algo más pequeño y compacto.
    El segundo error son los motores de muy baja potencia. "SERÁN REEMPLAZADOS POR OTROS MÁS PODEROSOS"
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    @noorbeast would like to play with other games to be able to test aircraft games like dcs, I would need the pluig and the license of simtools could you help me ??
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    Hi @RENZOREY18,
    Great setup man!
    One thing, at 35 seconds in your video, you can see the sim "twist" pretty bad.
    If you can eliminate this, your sim will perform a ton better.
    I mean once fixed, you will be able to feel allot more of the road, and everything won't get washed out by the" twisting".
    Take care, and nice work man!:thumbs
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    I think those engines are powerful enough to move your seat, but not with the entire structure including pedals and steering wheel. Try to modify the structure so that it only moves the seat and shortens the radius of the gearmotor to 6 cm so that the movements are shorter, you will also gain more power.

    Version Español

    Yo creo que esos motores son suficientemente potentes para mover tu asiento, pero no con toda la estructura incluyendo pedales y volante. Intenta modificar la estructura para que solo mueva el asiento y acorta el radio del motoreductor a 6 cm para que los movimientos sean mas cortos, tambien ganaras mas potencia.
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    Hello great @yobuddy, thank you very much for your master advice.

    As you saw in the video, the simulator is missing many tweaks, in these days I will eliminate the cardan turn and also modify the structure: D.

    Regarding the engines: how many rpm is recommended to have clean, light, precise movements?
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    hello @titomaky mate,
    Thank you!!! for your great help, as you will see the structure is very heavy so it will be modified ...
    Regarding the engine:
    the reducer is large, so changing the engine for a greater (W) would change the force to move the entire structure, I want everything to move to make it more real.

    version español
    hola compañero titomak,
    gracias!!! por tu gran ayuda,como veras la estructura es muy pesada por lo cual se modificara...
    respecto el motor:
    el reductor es grande, por lo cual cambiando el motor por unos de mayor (W) cambiaria la fuerza para mover toda la estructura, yo quiero que se mueva todo para que sea mas real.
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    What motor specs to use depends on many design factors, you can use SimCalc to get an idea of design Vs physics trade offs: https://www.xsimulator.net/communit...e-linear-speed-and-forces-of-your-design.270/
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    hola noorbeast, gracias !!! POR su ayuda, miraré el enlace en profundidad, quiero entender más sobre los motores y la caja de cambios. ¡SALUDOS! GENIO:

    hello noorbeast, Thank you!!! For your help, I will look at the link in depth, I want to understand more about the engines and the gearbox. REGARDS! GENIUS :!:D