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High quality rudder pedals

Discussion in 'DIY peripherals' started by Aerosmith, Sep 19, 2024.

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    I got my hands onto a pair of Logitech flight rudder pedals some time ago. Uaaahhh:eek: floppy plastic, feels so terrible I immediately got rid of it. For my helicopter sim project I already bought the stick and collective but I still need the pedals. Here, no brakes are required.
    The DIY pedals on the Cessna sim rig (made by my friend Sven) work quite well but look a bit sketchy. So it might be a good idea to have a solution that fits both (with brakes).

    I just saw @smitty 's controls (stick&collective and pedals).:thumbs I think he made the stick all by himself and took a Thrustmaster TPR for the pedals and modified it to add load cells and force feedback. This all looks great and sturdy but I wouldn't feel good ripping apart a brand new Thrustmaster for $550 just to pay another, say $500 for the FFB. And if I need two sets of pedals thats ~$2000. For this money I could justify develpping a complete new design on my own. There's just so much to do. I have to finish the rig, first.

    So my idea is to buy a cheaper set of pedals, for example something like the Cammus LC100. Those are meant for car racing but at least it's a full metal construction. I can remove the brake pedal and install a "seesaw" mechanism to couple the left and right pedal together. Then I could add the feedback motor later like smitty did. This would save some work compared to making everything from scratch. Cast metal parts like for the Thrustmaster TPR pedal plates and the reversing levers would be difficult to make in a hobby workshop even with a CNC machine. Some aluminium plates, levers and connecting rods should be no big deal, though.

    Question: does the "center of rotation point on top" design of the Thrustmaster have a special advantage? I think the hinge axis on the bottom seems more natural as you usually move your feet around the heel.

    Any other suggestions? The Winwing orion also look not that bad.
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    No idea, anybody? Ok, I think then I go for the Cammus LC100. This is my plan:
    Cammus-Mod.jpg
    I'll remove the braking pedal but keep the spring and damper. The seesaw and connecting rods are obvious to transform the clutch and throttle into a rudder pedal pair. I think I have to replace the springs with softer ones. If I place the seesaw bearing on a linear slider and connnect that to the brake mechanism I can re-use that and even keep the load cell.
    The cammus is only €259 and I don't have to start from scratch. And it could be upgraded with a force feedback motor, later.

    Next question: Is differential braking really important? The Thrustmaster TPR has two seperate mechanisms and sensors for the brakes. I guess this can help making very tight turns on the ground. But AFAIK it's not required for normal landings.

    Edit: the 239€ was a fake page, €259 is the real price.
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    @GoFlying just suggested Virpil or VKB-Pedals. They also look quite good and are both in the same price range as the Cammus. They don't offer a brake function but should be well suited for helicopters. The centering cam mechanism of the VKB looks simple but good.
    VKB-Cam.jpg
    I have to make up my mind if I prefer a ready-to-fly solution and drop the brake function or if I decide to do it the DIY way and modify the Cammus to have both, heli and fixed wing with brakes...
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    Ok, decision is made. Sven says we don't need new pedals for the Cessna. For the heli sim I don't need brakes, so I'll take the VKB pedals. This way I save some work and hopefully have some more time to take care of the cyclic and collective controls.
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    BTW: Sven said, differential brakes are only required for planes with tail drag gear to make turns while taxiing at slow speed where the rudder is ineffective. With stearable nose wheel it's not required and of course for helicopters not either.
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    My VKB Pedals have just arrived. :grin
    VKB-pedals.jpg
    They look good and also feel good. It's a full metal construction, no backlash, no flexing. I first thought the distance from the heel pads to the pedals was much to small. But everything is adjustable. It was just set to the smallest possible size to fit into the box.

    So sorry that I've started this in the "DIY peripherals" board and it ended up buying a commercial one. But I'm happy with the way it is. There is so much other work to do I don't miss it.
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