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Discussion in 'Force-Profiler Simulator Control' started by steelsim, Nov 23, 2008.

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    steelsim New Member

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    I have a problem with hanging up platform
    Like on screen.gif
    My configuration is
    4 festo MEHs (G)
    2 potis
    K0855 plus relay card

    1 right
    2 right
    3 left
    4 left
    5 down
    6 down
    7 up
    8 up

    Sometimes platform moves left (or right) sometime moves up (or down)
    What`s wrong?

    PS Sorry for my english.

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    I cannot say anything regarding the issue as long as you wont give us more details about your construction. Pictures are wellcome.

    regards
    Christian
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    steelsim New Member

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    Im sorry but i forgot pass to my steelsim account :blush:
    here are photos
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    im change only potis, thats all

    M
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    I think the problem is, that you are mixing in your joystick/wheel with 100% on X and Y axis to the game values.

    If using a game plugin, you should deactivate the joystick mixing completely!

    Set influence on axis: X=0 and Y=0


    How does your simulator behave if you just move your wheel when no game is running?

    Regards
    Christian

    Edit: please post your valve matrix for the 4 valve setup here. I would like to have a look on it. Perhaps there is something wrong as well.

    Post a picture of your pots please
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    With this setup (screen.gif) simulator doesn`t move, when i turn wheel.

    Here another screens, takes with auto pilot in rfcator with suggested settings.

    Hanging of platform is not still, but sometimes is shorter sometimes is longer.

    Later i try take a photos of potis, but i think is software problem...

    Matrix is here: http://rapidshare.com/files/167233944/1.pmx.html

    When i move sliders, under button move simulator my platform back to work.


    Regards
    Mach

    PS Once again sorry fo my english :)

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    I havent seen that you hadnt activated any joystick axis at all, so the 100%per axis had no effect anyway.
    joystick875.GIF

    In case your simulator works fine, besides those hanging ups once a while, then your Profiler setup should be fine as well.

    As you can see on this image, the Profiler tries to move the simulator (blue line), but your set rests in position (hangs).
    pot_hangs.GIF

    So either your pots are not able to provide a stable signal, or your valves are not able to open/close properly. Perhaps there is a mechanical problem with the valves?

    Please make a picture of your pot setup.

    Regards
    Christian
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    Yes, i turned off joystick definetly, and hang ups is often... :(

    Valves is ok, when you open attachment you will see that signal is conflicting. Because says to platform go up and go down (go left and go right) simulatenously.

    I check configuration with K0855_Demo and its look ok (1-right, 2-right, 3-left etc.)

    I have problem with camera now, i`ll try draw it later.
    But signal from pots are very stable and smooth.

    And if you couldn`t open attachments, here are files http://rapidshare.com/files/167258106/screen.zip.html
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    I think there may be some mess with the valve matrix. He wrote that he uses 4 MEH valves (5/3 I think). Perhaps he made wrong settings for the 4 valves setup.

    Perhaps there is a problem with different speeds. It may be that the valvematrix is assigned correctly for slow speed (one valve activated), but wrong for fast speed. As long as the values are low and the Profiler demands slow speed, it works fine, but if the Profiler demands normal or fast speed, a valve matrix error could take effect.
    Perhaps the second valve for fast speed takes air in the wrong direction into the cylinder. This would result, that the cylinder would get air in both air-intakes, keeping the position.

    @machman
    Is it the just the Y-axis, or are you experiencing the problem on both axis?
    Did your simulator did worked well before?

    Please make 3 screenhots of your matrix (slow, normal, fast) with the keystroke (alt|print) and paste it into MS Paint, save it as jpg, and load it up here. So we can have a look on it together.

    Regards
    Christian
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    i use hack with soldering.

    No i have that problem from beginnig
    I change PC, card, add relay card, and change potis with construction and still have this problem.

    Here you are, and complete screens are here: matrix_screens.zip

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    Thanks, here my matrix screens.
    now its working! :clap:

    Mach

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    I doubt that your valve matrix setup works

    Have a look on this schematic, it should help to see how 3 speeds with four 5/2 valves work in general.
    [​IMG]

    regards
    Chrsitian