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Request (Feature) Some possible added featured for later release?

Discussion in 'SimTools DIY Version' started by Bruceaust, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Bruceaust

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    Having used " that other software" for some time, it has a few features that would be very useful in Simtools:

    1. Sliders to adjust axis input variables "on the fly" whilst in the game.
    2. An ability to create and save profiles for different cars ( ie. in one for mazda, another for Lotus etc) within each game/sim

    Well done with all the work put in so far.
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    eaorobbie Well-Known Member SimTools Developer Gold Contributor

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    This you can already do via the game manager live mate, run game in a window with profile editor from game manager side by side, adjust main level for an overall restrictment or click on editor and change individual forces and then save as a preset(create) , all explained in the manual.
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    Thanks for the quick reply.
    I guess what I mean to say is, the way I have done it previously - editing the profile on the second PC ( equivalent to the game engine PC), as I have always run 3 screens in full screen mode on the Game PC. I have never run in window mode on the Game PC.
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    you could always 'alt-tab' outa the game and adjust the profile.
    I would always change the individual forces over using the main level.

    In my honest opinion, the 'main level' in the profile is really only good when you want to smooth out a ride for a younger/older rider, or when used with a flying game.
    Changing the individual forces in the profile editor actually alters the Max/Min limits per vehicle and will give you the best output to your sim.
    yobuddy
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  5. Bruceaust

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    I agree that the max and min values can be adjusted in the profile of the Game Manager. But it is the settings available in the Game Engine that are the most useful when developing a Car Profile - access to filters etc.
    A combination of Max/Min Values, Filtering from the Game Engine plus configuring your Motor Driver PID settings are all settings that need to be considered (discussion welcome). Thus, having access to the Axis Assignment variables whilst actually "driving on the track" would be very useful in developing a car profile.
    I don't think Sim tools can do this at the moment?

    Any thoughts?
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    I have to say I am with you... I would love to be able to change the Axis Assignment settings tab in the game engine while the games are running. I guess there are (at least) two types of users, those that want the simplest interface to just get in and use the sim and Simtools does this extremely well. Then there are "fine tuners" like me that are always looking to see "what if I change x" and for me to have to exit the game to make a minor adjustment and then restart slows me down. :grin

    I am happy with Simtools as it is if it suits the majority, but would love Bruceaust's suggestion to be added as an enhancement if possible once all other priorities are out the way.
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    I think thou, depending on the simulator, having everything live could be a really dangerous.
    And the more stuff you have live the slower the engine will become.

    Having 9 adjustable values live is a lot faster than having 6DOF values and a lot of filter values for each of the 6 axes. (that would be a lot more info). So this is a way to get the best of both worlds. Fast Engine with Live Adjustments.

    The idea is you can set a base profile up that works for the game, and then fine tune it per car, if need be, with the profile editor in game manager.

    Adjusting the Game Manger 's individual profile levels changes the raw Max Min values of the game and there for it changes what the Axis Assignments % means for all axes of the game.

    So if Axis1 is set to Roll in game manager for game X.
    you can adjust the roll slider live for game X in game mangers profile editor while playing the game to get the perfect output for your sim.

    hope that helps to explain it a bit:cheers
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    Having them live so to speak , yes would be good. I know when I am writing profiles, I have to pause game and exit game manager to then change percentages of forces. So the motors/jrks turn off. Since the game is pause nothing is moving. If something can be set so we can change percentages of forces while game manager is running, it would be good. This would make it slightly less headache in setting each force and number to get the motion right, and not have to exit game manager each time, then restart it when I want to test it again.
    Yes I know we can adjust tuning centre with all going.
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    Agree Dave, I too have found the quickest and easiest method to change axis in the game engine while still in game is to close the game manager from the status bar, you will now notice the Game Engine has disconnected and you are free to change anything in the Game Engine, once right , just double click the Game Manager and it all connects again and you can continue to test in game. This really is only needed when you are setting your base profile for a game, when changing cars etc, if you base is written well all you need to do is change forces via the Game Manager profile editor.

    Maybe we need a button or some method in the Game Manager to disconnect and reconnect. Instead of making everything live and slowing the engine. One of the ideas of SimTools was to make it resource light so it can hide in the background and we can enjoy our games at their top frame rates, etc.
    Maybe an alternative.
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  10. Bruceaust

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    continuing this important discussion--
    I see the logical method for writing a"Car Profile" is to take the Max/Min Values for each Axis for that particular car, then mix and apply filters to those Max/Min values to arrive at settings that are
    applicable to that car. ie I think the Filters should define the car profile, not the Max/Min values or in simtools case, the adjustment of values in the Game Manager.
    Taking this logic one step further: Game Manager could assign the game plugin, then the car profile could defined in the Game Engine.

    Just had a thought! :)
    Maybe the Game Engine could have a screen button to stop it and allow adjustments to be made without stopping the game or the Game Manager? ( this would be a step closer to the method suggested in this post)

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    i have same problem.
    i use real rally in full screen with different cars, but if i do alt-tab to change game profile in real rally i have a black screen.

    i suggest to implement an option to select game profile and disable auto set on game start.

    best regards
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    Real Rally ?, dont you mean Richard Burns Rally or is it a mod for this game. Issue will be with mod as with RBR I can alt tab even in a race and it doesnt crash , pc or game.
    To me sounds like you want simtools to act and look like the old software, yuck.
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    custom make bad jokes...
    yes the game is Richard Burns Rally (2004) with added italian mod from realrally.it for on-line championships
    i have a shared pc as "game station" with this game and mod.
    every user want a personalized profile (and more one) for game with simtool.
    we want know if there is any way to save more one profile for the same game (GameEngine AxisAssignment cfg file)

    best regards
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    you could create a preset and load and save it before the race.
    But using game manager profile editor you can do the same thing.
    just set the profile you want to use for the game and launch it.
    yobuddy
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    ok, thanks.
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    We totally need a pause button to disconnect...right now I task out and end task the game manager, make changes and then reboot it without leavign the game. just a slight pain in the but
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    in 2.0, the Game Manager has a "pause button" (Go,Stop) button.
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    ok cool send me that...
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    Just a small one from me, (and I'm sure it's already in place in v2) ... But the ability to resize the windows so you can see all the Axis at once without having to scroll from side to side. Would make at a glance checking easier, not to mention screenshots for the forum :)
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    Yeah, if we had an overlay in game that would be awesome