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Question Abnormal operation

Discussion in 'SimTools Pro & Entertainment Version' started by Mu-KwangKim, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. Mu-KwangKim

    Mu-KwangKim Run, Run, Run SimAxe Beta Tester Gold Contributor

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    I have been using it since 1.2.

    I have used the most optimized form of motion profile in 1.3 and used it satisfactorily,

    After updating to 2.x, everything changed.

    I have been waiting for version 2.2 and have not changed since.

    1. Even though the 1.3 and 2.x versions of the motion are the same profile, they are different. Are the methods of calculation different?

    2. Are the filter functions of 1.3 and 2.x different? Smooth function seems to be completely wrong.
    1.3 Smooth is soft and slow. 2.x will only soften with smoothness.

    3. If the filter function is used in 2.x, the actuator will react abnormally after a certain time. It warps a specific section, moves, stops, or reacts at random. This phenomenon occurs more quickly as the number of actuators increases.

    4. In case of Dirt3, if you use it for a long time, the actuator suddenly starts moving fast and strong.

    5. I am forced to downgrade to 1.3, but if I install only the pcars1 plugin this time, the motion value of assetto corsa will be changed strangely. (Not understood)

    It is an overall crisis. @_@

    Thank you for your help.
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    yobuddy Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator SimAxe Beta Tester SimTools Developer Gold Contributor

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    Do you have both 1.3 and 2.0 installed on the same PC?
    When you removed v1.3 did you say yes to the question during in-installation "Remove old settings..."?

    1) Are you adjusting your Max/Min settings as needed?
    Maybe they are just tuned different between plugins versions?

    2) The smoothing filter is the same from v1.
    It has been tamed down allot thou (about 25% of what it was).
    As it does cause output delay if you use to much (and people tended too).
    You can add overall smoothing to the game also thou, by using the slider on the main Profiling page in Game Manger.

    3) I cant reproduce this.
    What hardware are you using?

    4) if its a scn actuator, is it beeping?

    5) :(

    Can you post screenshots of you Axis Assignments and interface settings?

    Have you tried this?
    system local.jpg

    I'm sure we can figure out what is happening.
    take care,
    yobuddy
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    I have done many tests since.

    It seems like a fix, the way is to reinstall Windows.

    It seems to be a problem when using 1.x version and then updating to 2.x version.






  5. Mu-KwangKim

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    @yobuddy

    There are places that are resolved in that way, and there are still places that can not be resolved.

    Axis Assignments screen.

    There is no problem in 1.3, but this problem always occurs in 2.x.

    We use 7 SCNs but it seems to have nothing to do with quantity.

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Mar 23, 2018
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    Are you running 2 simulators from the same setup?
    yobuddy
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    My Motion Simulator:
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    One simulator has 7 axis
    The same is true when using only 6 axis

    We use both because we split it into 3 axis and 4 axis
    There are 3 axis on top of 4 axis.



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    It is a picture for reference.

    Attached Files:

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    To summarize briefly ...

    It moves well, and at one moment it moves at random. And then back to normal.

    It feels as if the data is accumulated in the buffer little by little and loosens at once.

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    Yes. The same symptoms occur on other simulator.

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    My Motion Simulator:
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    I am continuing to test and write additional problem.

    (Sorry for the inconvenience.)

    There is no problem up to 2 Axis 6DOF.
    The 3 Axis 6DOF setting is very occasionally a problem.
    4 Axis 6DOF setting starts to cause problems.
    6, and 7 Axis also have problems.

    I've seen that overflows can occur in other threads.

    I suspect it might be the problem, but 1.3 did not have any problems at all.

    I am testing the operation of setting the whole 6DOF below 100%.

    I will continue to test it once again.
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2018
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    @yobuddy

    This is another matter.

    You will be prompted to restart simtools even though all axes are normal.

    It works only after checking all axes with 'tbvst'.

    In most cases resetting the power will solve the problem, but sometimes you have to use tbvst.
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    Hi @Mu-KwangKim ,
    I believe its just your axis assignment settings to be honest.
    Let's take a look at Axis 3b, it seems to be using over 300% for its output.
    If you add up all percentages used, from left to right, it should equal 100% to ~130%.
    Or somewhere in that range anyway.

    Also, you have a lot of filters running and i can't tell exactly what is being used there.
    But i realty think its just a percentage problem with the Axis Assignment settings buddy.

    Take care,
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    @yobuddy

    Oh... Yes yes... Right.

    the total axis% sum is set to about 100, so the problem is gone.

    The biggest difference between 1.3 and 2.2.

    It is a bit different from what I thought, but seems to have found a solution.

    *. If the filter does not work, re-install Windows.
    *. Strangely to movement problem. fix to the responded all % sum change.


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    @Mu-KwangKim,
    PM'ed you the new SCN driver for v2.2.5.
    Let me know how it goes.
    Should give you the same output length you were used to before v2.2.
    yobuddy
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    Center defective has been resolved !!!!

    Very Many Thankyou!!! I love you!

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    V2.2 of the scn driver actually does closer to the same thing 'tbvst' does.
    It's just that most people are used to the old version.

    As there are too many people, that can't adjust their sims for the new driver, it just makes sense to restore it to how it used to work.
    (as some people just don't have adjustability in their sims)

    But I will have the v2.2 SCN 'protected' driver as an optional download.
    (I'll upload it to the Interface Plugins section of the download area.)

    Take care,
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    @yobuddy

    First. I Used patch fixes the problem. Thanks.

    However, the 2.2 driver has a different centering position from Tbvst.

    If Tvbst and 2.2 performed the same centering, I would have modified the machine.







  19. yobuddy

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    Interesting buddy,
    Well at least we have both available, no matter what the situation is.
    I personally like the full length SCN interface that's included with SimTools now.
    yobuddy