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8020 Rig with traction loss

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by Steve spenceley, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. Steve spenceley

    Steve spenceley New Member

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    After lurking here for a number of years and enjoying watching so many builds, I thought it was time to share ideas and ask advice. I have designed two versions of this rig, one which is tubular steel & this version designed with 8020 because a friend wants to build this without welding.

    I have also designed fully adjustable wheel assembly for Fanatec, Accuforce, OSW, Thrustmaster, G27 wheel base & adjustable pedal assembly for Fanatec, Thrustmaster, G7 & Derek Speare pedals.

    A special thank goes to Richard & Nick for private support...

    Ideas, recommendations & suggestions most welcome...
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    noorbeast VR Tassie Devil Staff Member Moderator Race Director

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    Thank you noorbest. I think we are going to use traditional tie rod ends. Thank you for the link on conical spacers.

    I was thinking about fabricating a bracket loss bracket like this which is bolted to the bottom plate.

    Do you have any suggestion for the length of the lever to get about 5" of travel in each direction.

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    What rendering / design software did you use? Nice Renders!
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    Different members have a range of approaches and axis movement travel for traction loss: http://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/traction-loss.174/

    @Nick Moxley has 100mm of travel each way, which equates to 5 inches, so can give advice based on his sim, but travel is influenced by design considerations.
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    Superbe, magnifique travail d'étude !

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    beau projet, je suis impatient de voir la suite.
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    Thank you guys it has been a fun design exercise, next steps is buying the 8020.

    @norbeast thank you for all the links. I really enjoyed reading these this morning!

    @Archie, the software renderings are created using SolidWorks, I have a background in 3D modeling working in the Automotive & special effects industry so the 3D modeling aspects for me was natural and easy. I have a little fun side business designing and building custom button plates and sim hardware, so this project was interesting little adventure.

    All the custom joining plates will be laser or water jet cut locally, by a friend who does superb accurate cutting work at a reasonable price.

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  9. Nick Moxley

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    As stated already Steve, FREEKIN AMAZING job so far. I say dont bother with the standard Heim/rod ends and go with the SQ10-RS Style.....they'll last that much longer imo. And Damn does that wheel plate look nice......:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs
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    I love the attention to detail and style. Most people would just throw a bunch of rectangular plates in there at the joint, which would still look and work great. But your use of radius corners, cutouts, quick release adjustments - really just spectacular! I would love to see this built!
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  11. Steve spenceley

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    @Nick thank you it has been a fun design project! I now have all the materials to make the wheel deck, so this will be the first part of the project.

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    If anyone is interested in the custom plates & brackets they will all be available, just contact me simracingengineering@gmail.com

    I designed the 8020 version for Sebj and he is hoping to start this project in a few weeks, he's just collecting build parts and in the final planning phase.
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    Thank you cgodwin!

    My thought was if you going to the trouble of making some custom plates, why not try to make them stronger & look nice. Custom plates laser cut in mild steel are very cost effective, water jet cutting of aluminium is a little extra.

    As soon as you start thinking about custom plates the 8020 project is no longer limited to fixed corner angles.
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    Nick we plan to use automotive style tie rod ends, I just like the look of rose joints from an artisitic perspective!
    Plus back in my racing days rose joints were the thing to buy on a quality race machine!
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    I hear ya, I just personally had the first couple set's go bad on me and start to make REALLY annoying sounds under motion, The Automotive tie rods will be UBER beefy and should never wear out on a rig.

    Also Make sure to add holes for the fanatec without the Angle plate, That plate has a good amount of flex in it that I couldn't stand so I re adjusted the angle of the main wheel deck to compensate. With all the adjust ability your building into the Wheel deck, i would make sure its got enough to go UP if you remove the angle plate.
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    That's a great looking plan. That 8020 seems to help out a ton with adding flexibility to the layout without sacrificing strength by drilling a bunch of holes in normal steel/aluminum tubing.
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    Thank you Matthew. Welded steel is MUCH cheaper if you have access to a welder, but agree it's a hassle to drill when you want to adjustment placement or add a new toy.

    Nick I designed a mounting plate for Fanatec with or without the standard bracket and to fit most other wheels. Making accurate wheel & pedal plates is always a hassle to drill perfectly, then we upgrade our equipment and then drill again. So thought there might be a small market for laser cut mounting plates.

    Tonight I played around with another shifter mount design, and then thought about where I should place an emergency cut off switch for motion motors!
    In this rendering the shifter is a bit too close to the seat, but you get the idea! FanatecShiftMount.jpg
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