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2DOF project

Discussion in 'DIY Motion Simulator Projects' started by MarcNSF, May 30, 2017.

  1. MarcNSF

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    Hi started with the design
    The roll motion will be a swaying motion ,Pitch will be tilting only the seat on top .
    Wanted to check if this design will work

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    Is this to be used only for flight simulation, or is race use also anticipated?
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    It will be used for both racing and flight
    I thought that by changing the center of the roll angle the G forces will be more accurate
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    I am not sure I fully have my head around what you have in mind but I don't see how it can take advantage of SimTools ability to mix say surge, heave, roll and pitch on the fly with a traditional style 2DOF.

    Perhaps you can elaborate on your ideas a bit further and add a sketch of the complete rig.
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    So am I right that you plan a traditional 3DOF mounted on a additional roll axis?
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    No I will only use the sway/surge or pitch/roll motion .
    What do you think ,will it work?
    My intention is to feel the G forces
    Any suggestions on the design will be appreciated (it's my 1st build still not familiar with the software capabilities)
    Will be using arduino uno + 50A h bridge + wiper motor

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    Hmm, I only see 2 DOFs in the drawings:
    2DOF.jpg
    • Motor 1 moves the seat on the reels, which are rolling on these curved rails.
    • Motor 2 pitches the (rolling) seat.
    So each motor alone seems to be responsible for 1 single DOF.

    But what 3rd DOF do you see in the drawings, and what force/angle is it for?

    (I just want to make sure that upcoming hints go in the right direction. :))
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    Personally I don't think what you have in mind will work particularly well for the stated purpose, both in terms of design and not having much inherent leverage for the wiper motors, which are not very powerful.

    To some extent all sims are somewhat of a compromise when it comes to real Gs, as outside of a centrifuge the best a high powered sim can generate is a momentary 2-2.5Gs, nothing like the actual sustained 5-10Gs you can get in a F1 or fighter jet.

    But there are other things that can give the sense of Gs, such as a tensioning race harnesses or G-Seat style moving panels. Both help trick the brain, which is what simulation is really about.

    If you are using wiper motors then a shoulder mount seat shaker of foot mount full frame design will give you the largest design leverage to make the most of the limited power. Here is some further reading as to the pros and cons of each: https://www.xsimulator.net/community/faq/full-frame-vs-seat-shaker-designs-which-is-better.213/
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    Ok great so I'll have to provide more powerful motors
    Regarding the design I think according to my researches it will provide the forces intended "definitely less than an actual race car" if not I'll add to it as I go .maybe change it to 3dof mounted on the rails as you said

    Q: pitch/roll or surge/sway witch one will be better?
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    For race simulation surge and sway are predominant, but the others matter, particularly heave, while for flight roll and pitch are foremost.
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    Hi
    Started building the frame it's 84x44cm

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    Interesting. I never saw this approach before, and I am looking forward to see it in action one time.
    Do you think of adding 4 additional reels below the curved steel tube, similar to a roller coaster (see image below)?
    AdditionalReels.jpg
    Otherwise the platform may flip to the front or back when it looses its balance, especially after you have mounted the seat with its pitch mechanics.
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    Interesting design. :thumbs I will watch with interest and see how it all works out.
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    Hi Markus

    Defenetly ,as you can see in my cad drawing that's why I kept enough space .
    I only shortened it vertical instead of 40cm I made it 32cm because I want to add beneath the seat a third dof (heave) still under study ;)

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    Theoretically everything should work fine :)
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    Hi
    Went to the scrap yard yesterday and found 3 Mercedes 450sel wiper motors and 4 huge power window motors FOR FREE :grin .
    Managed to have 2 wiper motors and 2 power window motors working
    Wiper motor : 70 rpm
    Power window : 80 rpm
    Going to use 1 of each

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    Hi @RacingMat
    downloaded your 2dof and 2pin direction Hbridge code ,please can you check if the hbridge I bought is compatible
    if you can provide a wiring diagram I will be greatfull:)

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    this will be the pitch or surge

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    almost done with the mechanical part
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