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Question Do you think driving times can be lowered with a dynamic simulator?

Discussion in 'Off Topic - All other stuff here' started by Gigino83, Mar 22, 2023.

  1. Gigino83

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    I've always wondered if with a dynamic position, in addition to the fun, there is a higher perception of the guide, helping to improve times? same thing if you also add a vr.. unfortunately I still don't have a way to test, if someone instead who has it has noticed improvements over time.
    Gigino83, Mar 22, 2023
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    In particular to track racing I think rig with four pillars in four corners of the rig (like SFX100) you could improve your times because you can clearly feel curbs at the egde of the track. On the other hand I don't think that VR will improve times because static displays are clearer than the VR image. Maybe tree of them will help with wider perception and getting close to you rivals when overtaking.
    Peter_the _machinist, Jun 20, 2023
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    yes - my sim gets used by racing drivers. they can feel the car moving underneath them and percieve the movements correctly

    changing the set up of the car is instantly felt and resulrts in faster lap times

    they are often suprised at how much the sim moves when they are not in it - the movements feel natural

    the key here is giving motion feedback that is useful to the driver and not confusing to them.
    Gadget999, Jun 20, 2023
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    As an objective measure I would suggest you can look to the top end of online racing, and arguably one of the best real word drivers, Max Verstappen, then check out his actual race rig, high end expensive hardware but no VR or motion:
    https://www.teamredline.com/about/
    https://topgear.nl/autonieuws/simulator-van-max-verstappen-thuis/

    Motion and VR both add to immersion, and even car feel, but in the competitive world of actual top tier online racing they are generally considered an additional and unnecessary distraction.
    noorbeast, Jun 20, 2023
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    F1 Teams use a well designed motion sim to develop the car and can test components and set up without out even building the parts !




    @knaufinator works on one of the most advanced sims in the world - he will have a good input here
    Gadget999, Jun 20, 2023
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    Yes F1 teams do use motion rigs, as that is training for the real world, but in terms of online lap times eRacing teams don't use motion rigs, Max Verstappen inhabits both worlds at the very top of each.
    noorbeast, Jun 20, 2023
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    @noorbeast that could be true because you can also feel curbs in DD wheel. After all there is no need to get motion feedback from rig.
    Peter_the _machinist, Jun 20, 2023
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    One of Verstappen's sim racing tricks is to turn the engine sound all the way down and the tire sound all the way up, that way he can also 'hear the grip', or loss of it, in conjunction with what the DD wheel tells him. That is the sort of stuff you just can't do IRL, but can make a significant difference in sim racing times.
    noorbeast, Jun 20, 2023
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    we do some race applications on our Simulator but is not our focus, it can/has been used for a few aspects such as a training tool before going to race tracks for data comparison and muscle memory. for our applications though we mainly focus on tire development, for detecting and understanding differences between tire models through the complex human combined inputs from high speed brake/turn ... to sub-limit inputs ...i.e. slow lane change. its... honestly a dream job,... and I am not sure I can go back to working in a office
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    knaufinator, Jun 20, 2023
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