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SCN6, SCN5 and X-Sim vs SimTools

Discussion in 'SimTools compatible interfaces' started by stroutmail, Nov 1, 2014.

  1. BlazinH

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    That's a good way to put it! While traction loss may be a more usable type of feedback to improve driver performance, you can't really beat heave for its all out "fun" factor! Always puts a :) on my face anyway!

    You must have out of this world vision and brain processing power then! Most people can't process over 24 FPS! Movies shown at the theater are 24 FPS.
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    To be really fast you have to be able to hit your "marks" at braking points, apex and corner exit within inches. You can't hit what you can't see.

    I would not say it's about brain processing "power" but it is about good vision and lots of practice. And it's not just vision...there are other G force "clues".
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    In that case you had better build a sim and prove us all wrong!
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    stroutmail Member SimAxe Beta Tester Gold Contributor

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    More..24 FPS is common in cinema but HDTV is aleady at 50-60 FPS and 4k will be shot at more than 120 FPS.

    Also...it is believed that even the best reaction time is 180 to 200 milli seconds..but it's more complicated...it's about decisions and many times spatial recognition involves lots of "data" including spatial data with little delay. In real if the is no "delay".

    http://m.phys.org/news/2010-12-fighter-brains-sensitive.html
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    Ive compared visually on 50 hz - 50 FPS the same game between 2 different TVs. One is a 32" 50 hz sanyo LCD, the other is a 40" 200 hz Samsung. Both locked at the same frame rate. with motion going its near impossible to tell the difference, but standing still, I can see a slightly better quality picture from the samsung TV.
    Oh and best not pass on this info to the iracing guys at ISRTV, they will get upset as they like to benchmark each other seeing whom can get higher frame rates. They grumble if its not over 90 FPS :)
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    Its the inner ear that senses motion. But when feedback from your ears doesn't match what your brain is expecting to feel based on what you see, most get motion sickness. As amazing as the human brain is, it is still very limited on the amount of information it can process at one time. Therefore, the brain uses shortcuts learned in childhood to assist in processing information.
    The best example that comes to mind is how our brain uses shadows in order to shortcut processing time. Look at this example http://www.weirdoptics.com/ball-shadow-illusion/ . The ball obviously moves in a straight line when there is not a shadow present. But, by adding a shadow to it, depending on how you move the shadow relative to the ball, causes it to appear to be either lifting up in the air or bouncing even though it is actually still moving in a straight line. If would have been nice had they allowed to remove the grid from the example too because the effect is even more convincing without it there as a reference.
    Anyway, the point is that our brains learn from common experiences as we grow up how things are supposed to feel and look and we use that as a shortcut so we don't have to spend as much time processing information. But when the feel and look does not match what we have already learned it should be, it throws our brains into confusion causing a sickness.
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    With your kind assistance I will do my best to build the best I can. But what "wrong" are you speaking of?????????
    All I said was more FPS the better..that why people are increasing GPU power is it not?
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    in other words, design, and build something to demonstrate
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    Television is at 50 or 60 FPS because its refresh rate is on a 1:1 ratio with the frequency of the power; 50hz in Europe and 60hz in the US. 120hz and 240hz televisions has been proven to be a gimmick to sale more expensive sets!
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    interesting, maybe because one tv is better than the other, it looks better. As said, under motion I cannot tell the difference, when standing still I can see a slightly better picture when both locked at 60 PFS, vsync on.
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    The extra hz (120hz or 240) can be helpful with image processing because it can do more of it in a given time period!
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    None! I'm simply stating an opinion with the best facts I have like you are! Sorry if I offended you somehow!
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    ah, thats probably it